Originally posted by /u/edible_soup
I’m not in midgame yet, but I think I’m in the late stages of early game. I’m on run 5, working on saving paragon up to buy Renaissance (which is the only price-reduction Metaphysic I have left), and I’m pretty much sitting here grinding mansions and space stations (huts and log houses are maxed out).
What I’m wondering is, what run do y’all normally start getting into time crystals and such? that seems like the obvious next step, it just also seems like waiting a billion years to have enough alicorns to make some isn’t the smartest thing either.
Fit-Purpose6298
good question
MysticalKittyHerder
Well once you get to Malkuth there isn’t much more to buy lol
Grind more i guess?
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Yeah I way overspend paragon in upgrades
MysticalKittyHerder
That’s so odd! I did all of them once, but BSK/Pacifism 4 times each (combined together) and I gained around 4000 paragon from it all. I’d get at least 500-600 per resets and could complete a challenge every day
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Glances at all the challenges completed - glances at the 657 paragon and 18 burned paragon …
ConBrioScherzo
I understand that but they (even with upgrades) arrive too slow at my stage of the game to get any significant portion of +1M TCs.
ConBrioScherzo
Ok. Ta. That makes sense. I was at TT15 but lost the game. Working back up from a TT14 save. I had lots of cryptotheology but obviously not enough RR. I was trying to work them up when I list the game. Looks like I was close.
Lord_Maelstrom
The relics from relic engines will help you get the cryptotheology upgrades that speed everything else. It’s locked behind transcendence tiers, however, so if I’m ahead of you in TTs, that might be the difference (I was at TT 15 when I got the shatter engine online). Once you have around 100 unobtainium per second, you can start investing into chronofurnaces and resource retrievals until you get to the point where shattering TCs gives you enough unobtainium to get your TCs back by trading with the Leviathan. If you keep maxing black pyramids and max out Levi energy then that also speeds up the engine. One of the cryptotheologies (Black Bazaar) also improves your resource retrieval rates. Eventually you get to the point where you are getting back 50 to 100 TC for ever crystal burned (for me this was at 40 Furnaces and 20 RR). Buy some Boilers to make it so that you can go longer between needing to shatter, and pretty soon you can be making 500k to 1m TCs per day. Of course, those numbers only go up, but where I’m at, I’m somewhat restricted by my unobtainium capacity as I will cap out on unobtainium about 100 times before I hit my heat capacity, and that just gets to be a lot of clicking.
electronoptics
TC are made by sacrificing Alicorns
ConBrioScherzo
I must be missing something. I’m at least as far in the game as you but I can only get TC by trading with Leviathans. How fo you get 1m+ TC? I must be missing the mechanism to automatically amass them…🤔 How do you do it?
Lord_Maelstrom
Once you get relic stations it blows up hard. Hit relic stations on run 8 for me (first one with renaissance) and I’ll be resetting with 1m+ TC.
BodaciousVermin
I’m in run 6 with 493 paragon, and 71 karma. I wasn’t able to grow my paragon enough to get Renaissance in run 5, so I started over. I don’t have the 750 needed to get it this run, either, but I’ll get it next. I hope to get Anachronomancy next run, as well.
However, I’ve been playing with TCs heavily (for me, at least) in this run. I managed to ramp up my Unicorns, buy upgrades, and now have 17 Unicorn Utopias, and 21 Sunspires (plus a bunch of other smaller things - they all contribute), and generate 450 Unicorns a second, plus I’m getting about .01 Alicorns a second.
I’m now working on Relic Station (waiting on Antimatter - I have 29 Sunlifters), and will play from there.
XenosHg
A) Unicorns depend on religion.
Your plan with religion every run should be:
B) Established that, once you casually reach 300% solar revolution (production bonus from worship) in a run, it’s feasible to prolong it past where you would reset for paragon, and instead assign your priests again and spend time praising, and once in a while, do the cycle again fill faith to cap, transcend-adore-praise again, start accumulating worship once more.
As a rule of thumb, I would do TAP (transcend adore praise) every new 50% SR, so at 300, 350, etc until close to 700-750, after which just do it whenever you have a big number of Worship, enough to make a difference in your praise bonus.
Eventually, once you start maxing your solar revolution in just one immediate explosion from 0 to Max, it will be theoretically better to transcend often, but before that, when you actually need to grow your bonus, it’s better to spend time on nurturing that.
C) Established that, if you do unicorns/alicorns while you’re spending time praising, by the end of the process you can have enough alicorns + multipliers to make ~20 TCs, with which you buy upgrades and several chronospheres to speed up next run and learn how it all works.
D) A few runs after that, you can go full power and repeat that, and get Megalomania, summon leviathans, trade with leviathans, accumulate 100+ TCs, buy Anachronomancy to preserve them, and with the relics you get from trade also research tiime travel, shatter 1 time crystal and unlock 1000 year challenge that will eventually double your profits later on.
E) to get into relics you want to finish all metaphysics except malkuth, another 1000+ paragon at least, and preferably black sky/1ky challenges at least unlocked, so you can win them both during the run. Or win at least one of them in advance, and turn the second one into relic run.
I think black sky is easily repeatable, and the reward is good.
1ky is not easily repeatable.
MysticalKittyHerder
Do the challenges, they provide permanent bonuses that will help when you get into TC. You’ll also get several thousand paragon while doing them