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There are some patches (TAME_INFINITY) I believe on alpha branch (and in github) that let you go past regular limits. This is not something that is specifically supported atm though.


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“Capped” building usually means as much as you can maximally build given your storage capacity. At certain point your storage is not enough to contain all raw materials for the next building and it is considered as capped. You have to improve your capacity by building more warehouses, crafting more stuff or researching new techs.

At some point this loop becomes impractical (the point of practicality depending on player patience and preference) and it’s usually a good point for reset.


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You are pretty much on spot here, great summary. It is a relatively endgame building that is intended as a starchart sinker and a storage space enabler for folks who are constrained buy everything else.


UPD: should be live on latest android beta


F.A.Q. v3 (Read me first)
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**How do I...** Please start from the [wiki page](https://wiki.kittensgame.com). It has information about pretty much every aspect of the game. **The game does not work in a background tab** Please make sure 'web workers' option is on. **How am I doing in this game? Am I slow?** Yes. **My smelters are not working** Turn them on by pressing "+". Smelter button should lit green. **Theology and Navigation require way too much culture** You don't need to have all of this culture at the same time, try crafting more manuscripts. **There is a bug in the ...** This is very unlikely. **Offline progression is not working as expected** There is a very good reason why it is hidden and disabled by default. **Please add an option to hide researched religion upgrades** No. **Hunters suddenly reduced my catnip production** Hunters brought rare resources that boosted happiness and overall production at a cost of extra food consumption. **My max science suddenly dropped** You converted all compediums which were giving you +10 science bonus. **When should I reset** You should reset whenever game feels slow. Seriously folks, please stop making those threads. **Why refining catnip is better than woodcutting?** This is a platinum question of the Kittens Game. I wish I could get a buck every time someone asks this. This question was answered probably in the greatest details [there](http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/184048/when-are-woodcutters-more-efficient-than-refining-catnip) **Why huts are giving more space than log houses** Because they cost twice as much. **What is the Iron Will that everyone are talking about?** * [How to enter it](https://wiki.kittensgame.com/en/game-tabs/challenges/iron-will) * [How it works](https://wiki.kittensgame.com/en/game-tabs/challenges/iron-will) **Smelters are not working in the IW** [http://www.reddit.com/r/kittensgame/comments/32ybto/smelters_in_iron_will_turning_off/] **Why send explorer cost takes 100 catpower instead of 1000?** It takes exactly 1000 catpower and refund you 900 if no one was found.
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XenosHg

I just put my leaders as farmers, using “unassign just the leader from the job” button. so when I switch my production doesn’t drop.

If you use them as engineers (because of limited factory slots), I guess you’ll have to rely on best kittens being on top of the list.


TheFledglingPidgeon

Did not know about the burned paragon, that makes a huge difference. And yeah, after playing a bit with even just over a hundred paragon, I noticed that really, the “kitten” production is pretty unimportant. The only things that really seem to matter, even early in a run, are conversion bonus and crafting bonus (and later on space production, as you mentioned). Thank you for the info!


Quick switching leaders?
Originally posted by [/u/TheFledglingPidgeon](/u/TheFledglingPidgeon) I find myself switching leaders a lot for the bonuses, like switching to Manager before hunting or Merchant before trading. Is there a way to, say, favorite certain kittens as leaders so I can "quick switch" between them?

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idk_lets_try_this

I am at about 230 kittens atm and am close to 100K ships.

Also don’t underestimate what faith can do so don’t skip out on temples



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Distinct-Finish-5178

Ayo what, for hitting 120kiitens?



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GayNerd28

Yes, if you feel that way inclined you should totally join in the protest!


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Distinct-Finish-5178

How many ships show i have?


Almostasleeprightnow

Do it! I like reddit, but I am in favor of the blackout, and honestly, I’m in the US, and with the election season coming, I would be happy to lose reddit for a year or so while they figure this stuff out.


evildemonic

100% do it.

Fight the good fight.





viperfan7

I’d say just blackout till reddit gets their head out of their asses



yaruknight

Your unobtainium production in the screenshot is 35.73 per tick (200ms), so you are producing ~178.65 per second. At some point, you changed the option in settings to show per-tick values everywhere, instead of (usually) per-second values.

The visual indication of this difference is that the change values are unitless (+35.73) rather than including the time unit (+178.65/s).





Jemmerl

For the little it is worth, you have my vote to join the blackout!


On the upcoming reddit-wide going dark event
Originally posted by [/u/bloodrizer](/u/bloodrizer) Background info: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ Without fueling the drama I am considering to join the blackout and make this subreddit dark for 48 hours on Jun 12. Reddit UI always been barely functioning at all. I have to rely on RiF personally on mobile, and loosing it would be annoying. ___ I've been always annoyed by the reddit, and been considering to move this sub to the self-hosted platform on several occasions. I've been told by a lot of users they are here are mostly for the r/kittensgame so I suspect nobody cares about reddit much.



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arcanis321

It scales in a weird way too so that you can max your titanium with a quarter of your catpower. Im on reset 4 or 5 now and wish I had reset more frequently and been more aggressive with my Apocrypha usage.


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Do you have offline progression on?




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TalesOfMaxwell

I didn’t realize until I was pretty much about to reset for the first time, but the tradeships are MASSIVE in terms of getting titanium from Zebras. I was trudging along for almost a month here to my first reset. I’m guessing that could have been much, much faster if I paid attention there.

Once I bought a ton of trade ships I basically went from 90 to 140 kittens in less than two days.


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XenosHg

  1. Push your workshops, push your kittens, improve happiness, then everything else
  2. spam observatories, then ships, then trade for titanium upgrades.

What to unlock - everything you can, except drama, biochemistry and maybe ecology


Advice needed
Originally posted by [/u/Distinct-Finish-5178](/u/Distinct-Finish-5178) On my first run atm and have 80 kittens. Things are really really slow atm. Should i reset or push trough? Don’t really know what to unlock or upgrade

EDDsoFRESH

I’d recommend putting the kitten you promote to your leader on Farming as they can pretty much solo carry the food production when leveled up with a bit of farming exp



WolfOfYoitsu

Here is my current game, I’ve made some screenshots

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Dysan27

Titanium, which means you need ships, which means you want to max Observatories to get as many astro events as possible.


IKindaLikeCorn

Nah. Im gonna get to 120 before reset.


TheTeaMerchant

I figured max all buildings for benefiting production to keep siphoning from other categories to plug into steamrolling science upgrades. More aquaducts, less farmers, more science upgrades.


Focus on sciences or titanium? (Pre reset)
Originally posted by [/u/IKindaLikeCorn](/u/IKindaLikeCorn) Hullo! Im pre reset, have some observatories. Pretty capped out on my other buildings. Should i focus on titanuim, observatories, trade ships, or go for the sciences (electricity, chemistry)

What should I focus on next in my game?
Originally posted by [/u/WolfOfYoitsu](/u/WolfOfYoitsu) Edit: screenshots [kittensgame.png](https://postimg.cc/ZWkhxSNy) I'm a little bit lost on what I should do next. I'm currently just letting the game run to farm relics to buy things from Cryptotheology. Should i farm paragon up a certain amout? If so, how much? Should I get more burned paragon or just buy the remaining metapysics? Or repeat challenges? I couldn't find a guide that helps me here. According to Sagefault's Endgame Guide I'm in mid game somewhere between "Type 1: Relics Stations" and "Type 2: Shatter Engine", but it doesn't describe how to get there. ​ My current stats: ​ Paragon: 4935 Burned Paragon: 373 Transcendence: 17 Black Obelisk: 60 Black Nexus: 35 Black Core: 25 Event Horizon: 29 Black Libary: 32 Black Radiance: 9 Blazar: 6 ​ I bought all metaphysics up to Yesod (next would be Hod) and I did all challenges once.


i asked chatgpt a question i would nornaly googlr for or ask here.
Originally posted by [/u/Dangerous_Ant5107](/u/Dangerous_Ant5107) q: in kittens game, bloodrizers incremental game, why is reseting with one chronosphere bad and can the bad thing ve mitigated later during same run? a: In the game Kittens Game, the decision to reset with only one Chronosphere is generally considered suboptimal because it doesn’t provide significant benefits compared to resetting without using a Chronosphere. The Chronosphere is an item that allows you to carry over a small portion of your resources and technology when you reset the game. However, using just one Chronosphere doesn’t grant you substantial advantages in subsequent runs, and it consumes a valuable resource to obtain. The purpose of using Chronospheres is to enable players to progress faster and more efficiently in subsequent runs by carrying over accumulated resources and knowledge. Players typically aim to acquire multiple Chronospheres before resetting, as each additional Chronosphere provides a greater multiplier effect on resources carried forward. While using only one Chronosphere may not have significant benefits within the same run, it’s important to note that the game is designed to encourage multiple runs and iterative progress. Each subsequent run allows you to accumulate more resources, unlock new upgrades, and advance further than the previous run. As you acquire more Chronospheres in subsequent runs, you can mitigate the perceived drawback of a single Chronosphere reset and make faster progress in the long term. Ultimately, the decision to use Chronospheres and when to reset is a strategic choice that depends on your playstyle and goals within the game. It’s worth experimenting and finding the most effective approach that suits your preferences and progression strategy. rly nice

Why do people like Monarchy?
Originally posted by [/u/TheFledglingPidgeon](/u/TheFledglingPidgeon) I'm a bit confused, I've googled for advice on which policies to pick and I've found a lot of sources singing praises to Monarchy. But I get the impression that the leader bonuses are just... kind of negligible. Sure, Artisan helps a bit in the beginning, and it's good for afk'ing with engineers, and scientist/philosopher are super helpful, but... the gold honestly seems more useful, and both of the other options at that cost seem better, especially in longer games. Eventually, the leader bonuses like Artisan just seem to be a minuscule fraction of the things they're providing bonuses to. Am I just misunderstanding something, or underestimating how monarchy works?

In hindsight, starting five challenges at once was probably excessive.
Originally posted by [/u/StoriesAreLife](/u/StoriesAreLife) Alas, in my foolishness I didn't feel like doing every single one individually! Now I have Anarchy, Energy, Atheism, 1000 years *and* Black Sky active, and here's my problem: I'm not sure it's actually possible for me to get to space. An orbital launch costs 165K oil, 1.1M science, and the kicker, 55K catpower. I'm slowly raising the caps of all three, but my catpower limit is only 19.5K with 262 kittens and counting. 28 huts, 127 log houses, 79 mansions; huts and log houses are maxed until I build enough storage for the next couple. I think I need another 400-500 kittens to reach 55K. I've unlocked everything in science and the workshop that doesn't require unobtainium or relics. Am I as screwed as I think I am? XD How can I best salvage something from this ill-advised run?

Dark future heat?
Originally posted by [/u/Dangerous_Ant5107](/u/Dangerous_Ant5107) If, due to dark future cost increase, my jump costs 2 tc, does it still generate 1 heat?

Progress questions
Originally posted by [/u/Dark1Elder](/u/Dark1Elder) Is resting your game a requirement to progress, or can you just go straight through with out ever resetting, and if it is required when's the best time to reset? I'm in year 1,233, am working to make enough compendiums and blueprints to research Biochemistry and Robotics, as well as working towards building my first Unicorn Utopia. Making progress is very slow, but is possible.

Hunter - Catpower - Possible Bug?
Originally posted by [/u/Daymanooahahhh](/u/Daymanooahahhh) Hello there. I have something weird happening (mobile, iOS). I have to have 18 kittens (out of 71) on Hunter to have any positive cat power progress. If I start with 1 kitten on Hunter, my production is -0.79. If I add another, it goes DOWN to -1.59, then another gets me down to -2.39, etc. Is this a known issue? I do have a few mints, and it seems the consumption of cat power caps out at -15 per tick. Once I hit that number the more I add contributes positively

How many Chromospheres to jumpstart Void
Originally posted by [/u/FabulousKale9669](/u/FabulousKale9669) Hi, I'm aware that you need to create a few Chronospheres in your initial start so that Void doesn't get bogged down in an endless wait. What I can't seem to find is what is an OK starting number? I've enough Unobtanium to build 13 ... will that get me past the hump & jumpstart my Void generation? Would 10 be enough? <edit> grr, can't correct spelling error in title!

Skill rust?
Originally posted by [/u/TheFledglingPidgeon](/u/TheFledglingPidgeon) I've noticed that kittens actually lose XP if they're idle, and that when I assign a kitten to a job other than the one they're most skilled at, they lose "percentage" on the previous job. Does this game implement some sort of hidden skill rust?

When should I do about challenges
Originally posted by [/u/zasquach](/u/zasquach) I'm several runs deep, \~1k paragon, \~1k burned, last run was my first year 40k+ run, and I've mostly ignored challenges because I wasn't sure when to do them. I'm planning to start working through them, but I'm concerned about losing the karma I've invested in cryochambers so far. Most challenges mention putting chronosphere resources in reserves, will kittens from cryochambers also go there, and will I still get broken cryochambers? Also as far as iron Will goes, does that challenge have any permanent impact on the game? I've heard of zebras you can attract during that challenge, will they stick around during the main game? nay advice would be appreciated.

Originally posted by [/u/Hi_Falutin](/u/Hi_Falutin) Playing on Android. Accoding to Google Play Store, my last update was six days ago on May 21, version 1.4.9.2 Suddenly this morning all the fonts in the right column are WAY TOO BIG. Makes the list of buildings feel incredibly long, and as shown on "normal" setting it makes some labels too big to fit inside the lines. On "large" setting it makes some labels too big to even fit on screen Only that one font changed size, and it changed for every tab. Changing to "small" font size leaves it STILL looking bigger then what I had last night, while making the other fonts hard to read. Is this a glitch or a bug? Is this an intentional change?

How are you supposed to get 25,000 time crystals?
Originally posted by [/u/Dzugavili](/u/Dzugavili) So, question is the title: how are you supposed to get 25,000 time crystals for upgrades like the time boiler? I'm pretty clamped on unobtainium output at ~40 per second, and trading with the leviathans is only worth ~1 crystal per 5000 obtainium, so 25,000 crystals would take about a month. Seems like I must be missing something.

Quick question about leaders
Originally posted by [/u/Daure_Labori](/u/Daure_Labori) Do the traits and the rank promotions only matter when they're leader? i read the wiki and from what i understood only the leader gets the benefits, but the button that says "Promote Kittens" has a description that says "the leader promotes your kittens" so it kinda confuses me to why would there be a button to promote other kittens. is there any benefit in promoting other workers? aside from switching leaders?

Automation question
Originally posted by [/u/Livid-Explanation716](/u/Livid-Explanation716) Is there any recent scripts up? For automatically sending hunters, observing sky etc. I've found old scripts from 6-9 years ago, but they don't work and I'm not programmer enough to fix them. &#x200B; Please help.

What to do now?
Originally posted by [/u/IKindaLikeCorn](/u/IKindaLikeCorn) What do i do now? Got theology then astronomy then navigation. All of them did nothing much... It takes me like 5 minutes to buy 1 building (eg mine)

How to get flux on iphone?
Originally posted by [/u/Dangerous_Ant5107](/u/Dangerous_Ant5107) ^this My third run after years, first time mobile and this is starting to be a bit important.

I am ENRAGED, I lost 90% of my epiphany since I misread what cost my transcendence was. How much do I need for my next level?
Originally posted by [/u/weeOriginal](/u/weeOriginal) I had read the wiki and thought I needed 8 million, but I guess it was 22 million??? Just from the description of the next one, I’ll need 2,800,000/0.002 = **1,400,000,000 ?!?!?!**

Originally posted by [/u/DancesWithBadgers](/u/DancesWithBadgers)

Originally posted by [/u/GRChelseaFan](/u/GRChelseaFan) So I, like many, am still confused with the religion piece. I've done the reading, but rarely makes sense to me. So rather than asking for a full recap, I'm gonna break it down for a hopefully simple "next step" question. My Worship increases quickly until the Solar Revolution bonus is around 4.5k% then slows down dramatically. As I understand a bit more, I think I should ideally be around 150k% SR bonus (ballpark I don't have the article open in front of me) before I tried to transcend again. How do I increase the apparently worship/solar revolution bonus "ceiling" that I am bumping up against? I have 150-200 temples and chapels and 250ish priests if that makes any difference.

Is there a relic limit? Somewhere north of 1e+301?
Originally posted by [/u/petethered](/u/petethered) I seem to have hit some sort of relic "ceiling". https://www.dropbox.com/s/cp2zwy524davbyw/Kittens%20Game%20-%20Run%201984%20-%20Year%2047542%20-%20Spring%2C%20day%2013.txt?dl=0 Here's a save file , run 1984 , 868k paragon, 1.74e+308 relics. That's 174.705QWWT in game notation. --- If I reset this run, I come back in with 0 relics. Is there a limit to the number of relics you can have?

Is there anything wrong with workshop automation or a new aspect to it I missed? I ended up with less beams after opening the game back up
Originally posted by [/u/mbrosie](/u/mbrosie) I haven't played in years so I started a fresh game. I got my steamworks and workshop automation done, and I have offline progression enabled. I opened the game today and I ended up with less beams than when I closed it, but with <1 megaliths and scaffolds so they werent converted into those (if I remember right workshop automation doesnt even make them, just beams slabs and plates, maybe steel?). I also get the "4000 days of production gained" when I got back on, but nothing about extra resources being crafted by workshop automation. This issue has been happening for a few days, but yesterday I got the printing press and had a lot more manuscripts today, so I know steamworks is working and was enabled.

How do i progress
Originally posted by [/u/IKindaLikeCorn](/u/IKindaLikeCorn) I've gotten 31 kittens right now, pre theology. I'm trying to do Basic Resource Rotation, but im not sure how to go about it. Do i buy barns first? (Do barns even have a limit?) Do i grind wood? Should i max my housing first? Im really confused because theres often alot to buy, and some of be buildings need both minerals and wood Mini question: should my smelters always be on?

1000 year challenge
Originally posted by [/u/melinamalana](/u/melinamalana) Hello guy, before making another stupid decision i want confirmation. What is the handicap in this challenge? Is like normal challenge and time not moving or i'm not aware of some problem that it will slow down more then normal? So maybe if i want i can make in combo with energy? I don't see this challenge like a challenge, where is the trick? Thank!

Do Elders help themselves to lunch?
Originally posted by [/u/Yerofeich](/u/Yerofeich) I left the game running for a few days and when I came back, I was a disappointed at a low amount of necrocorns, that I was going to feed to the Elders, but when looked at their energy it was almost full. So it seems like they were eating my necrocorns while I wasn't looking.

Small village number
Originally posted by [/u/KingBarkley89](/u/KingBarkley89) What is the number referencing after small village. Mine says Small Village (1).

Offline Progression setting
Originally posted by [/u/FabulousKale9669](/u/FabulousKale9669) Hi, I'm once again feeling foolish here. For Redshift, the Wiki states " can be enabled and disabled by selecting the offline progression in the settings" Problem is ... I don't see "offline progression" anywhere & the Wiki doesn't say anything further. So ... where is this setting? Is it dependent on an upgrade and/or building? I'm playing on PC, via browser.

Quantum Cryptography or save up for Black Nexus?
Originally posted by [/u/SapientDruid](/u/SapientDruid) As it says, should I buy Quantum Cryptography when I get enough relics, or should I keep saving and get the Black Nexus first? I don't have any AI cores, and I haven't had the power necessary for antimatter storage for Relic Stations

Mid Game Crux
Originally posted by [/u/Sh-t_Shower_Shave](/u/Sh-t_Shower_Shave) So I have been playing now for a few months. It runs mostly in the background. Ive been several long runs, but mostly my runs have been short enough. I have all the Metaphysics now up to the strange named ones. I am now busy chasing relics. I am having a problem with Power. My containment chambers which I need for antimatter take up so much power I cannot get the needed antimatter for upgrades. The mid game guide really says to hold off doing a lot until you have your unobtainium at 100+ a sec. I have it at 50 a sec. Im finding it difficult to find ways to increase storage, to continue to build the needed space buildings + able to maintain the power. Any advice for these?

How are you getting to higher transcendence tiers?
Originally posted by [/u/kittnmittens23](/u/kittnmittens23) I'm just not understanding. I've read the wiki and searched here but I still can't figure it out. I bought 16 black obelisks, completed the atheism challenge once, and still my praise bonus is only \+3797.96% bonus (pretty much maxed out) Praise the sun! +223.825K% TT is 14 (I got there from 10 with a present box) and when I try to transcend I get One step closer: 0.53%. Can someone help explain to me what I'm doing wrong and how to get to the higher level tiers? Is it just buying massive amounts of black obelisks?

Metaphysics: Navigation Diplomacy
Originally posted by [/u/FabulousKale9669](/u/FabulousKale9669) Hi, I've had "Navigation Diplomacy" come up in my metaphysics tab, but it's not in the Wiki Flowchart, and the only note in the Wiki is "Races can be discovered once you have ships". As having ships ALREADY allows me to encounter Zebras, what do I need this for? Does it have any effect that makes it worth the 300 paragon?

FINALLY, I GOT THEOLOGY, but what’s next?
Originally posted by [/u/Leading_Delay_6339](/u/Leading_Delay_6339) After hours of work, I FINALLY got theology, but the problem is that I don't know what to do after, theology just gives me faith and astrology is way too far out for me, any advice? I have about 40 kittens and haven't worked on Steamworks yet, should I go for that?

What yall think if Dev sold this game to Netflix?
Originally posted by [/u/Quistis_Trepe](/u/Quistis_Trepe) It would awesome right? Currently Netflix lacking in incremental game... Either paperclip or kittens would be good.

When would be the best time to hit the reset button?
Originally posted by [/u/Leading_Delay_6339](/u/Leading_Delay_6339) Im at around 25 kittens and about to research philosophy

In the description for the Hydraulic Fracturer, what exactly does it mean by global production multiplier?
Originally posted by [/u/ComfortOk7446](/u/ComfortOk7446) "Every Space Elevator will boost this production by 0.1% of the global production multiplier" &#x200B; Here are some thoughts: There are a lot of different bonuses in the game, and I'm not sure which ones count as global in this context. Unobtainium doesn't get all of the usual bonuses you might assume to be global, but if you treat it as an exception then maybe you could count Solar revolution, paragon, and burned paragon as global. Uranium gets a magnetos bonus but not a Reactors bonus, and it's not clear if the magnetos bonus only applies to the quarries that produce uranium, or if they apply to both the quarries and the planet crackers. The starchart production from research vessels doesn't seem affected by magnetos or reactors, so maybe magnetos does not count as a global bonus. Space production by definition is not global as it is restricted to production... only in space. Also there may be some confusion on the definition of 'global', as I'm thinking of the way it is used in coding, such that it applies to everything else in the game, but the game's 'global' might refer to any production bonuses that apply to all of Cath (global = planetary). I don't think that's how it is meant but it's worth noting. So it's probably safe to say paragon and burned paragon count towards global production, solar revolution probably also counts, and anything else is unlikely. Anyone have a more definitive answer?

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